Thoughts?

I find it very troubling that there are thousands of people who do not respect borders, boundaries or the rule of law and feel entitled to live in whatever country they want to by mobbing and outnumbering local officials and security forces. We've seen it in Calais, at the Macedonia border, on small Greek islands, at Hungarian train stations and more.

I feel bad for genuine refugees, but looking back at the Iraq and Afganistan wars we never had refugees on this level before. Most news services suggest that Libya's state is allowing this. I also note how most of the people one would usually expect to be under threat are young, healthy men in their teens, 20s and 30s. Wearing designer clobber with smartphones. What about the economic migrants? How do you process people with no papers, how do you prove or disprove genuine need for refugee status?

So how does the world tackle this issue?

Should it be only Europe that has to rehome migrants? Can't other parts of the world do their fair share? The UN keeps saying Europe is failing them etc but why doesn't Ban Ki Moons Korea do something or other parts of the middle east or Africa?

Should frontline European countries have to grant people asylum as the first country they land in? Or should illegal migrants be allowed to travel to whatever country they want to inside the EU - which is what they seem to believe they have a God Given right to?

Can we do something more in the middle east? Should military action be taken to sort out the Syrian problem? Should we have proper legal processes for migration abroad? Can we send back people? How would that even work?

On the issue of numbers and absorbtion I don't think the solution is to rehome the entire population of other countries in trouble within the EU. Where are the homes, where are the services, why should your domestic taxes be used on finding jobs, doctors, school places, homes and more for people who illegally enter the country?

I really don't know how this is ever going to be sorted out as long as conflict exists in the middle east and africa. But whose responsibility is it to sort these things out? You see migrants heading north to europe, how many head south? There's a mass of countries and land south in the rest of Africa, yet Europe is always the answer?

The EUs open border policy is letting migrants move at will wherever they want and the sheer numbers are making it near impossible to control it. Do we need to revise these policies?

Personally I think we need to be as soft as cotton wool to genuine refugees and as hard as steel against economic migrants. And the turnaround and deportation times should be drastically reduced making people learn that they wont be rewarded for illegally entering other countries without permission.

First thing's first, I.S is so much worse than the Taliban and whomever else could form a power vacuum in these kinds of circumstances. But fighting them means helping Assad and the west doesn't want to do that.

Maybe set up a special administrative safe zone in northern Libya or Africa where people can live in safety, militaritly guarded by the U.N? Proper refugee processing and facilities?

The way the news reports it is that you cannot easily return citizens of another country back to their country without permission. So while you may intercept a bunch of Nigerians trying to break into whatever country, returning them isn't an easy mater and the law and asylum processes take years. What some immigrants are saying about coming to the UK is that they are treated better there than continental Europe and they can't be required, or asked to provide ID on the spot. There is a large cash black economy (untaxed) so easier for them to work and your children if born there get citizenship regardless. The E.U's right to a family life means you can bring over whatever relatives you want too.

The U.K had over 300'000 immigrants this year, and this is the net figure minus the emmigrations so there were actually more. The govt wants to reduce this (aiming for tens of thousands of the 80s and 90s) and now they are dragging their feet in accepting forced quotas of refugees. Which is likely to sour their talks for EU reform and lead to more people voting to leave the E.U in the referendum.  

If the Hungarians want to build a wall to stop people from coming into their country they should go ahead and do so.  And they should stay the fuck inside it too.

Foolz said:

Legally immigrate to Syria. That'll show 'em!

And why do you have a US flag on your profile?  Have you illegally emigrated to America?  I'm telling Trump.

Or are you an impostor?  Begone foolz impostor

bugsonglass said:

And why do you have a US flag on your profile?  Have you illegally emigrated to America?  I'm telling Trump.

Or are you an impostor?  Begone foolz impostor

I'm here to take Trump to Europe to sort this shit out.

edgecrusher said:

Just because someone has a problem with a giant group of people suddenly swarming into their territory, doesn't mean its racist. Its actually animal instinct to protect your territory and take care of your own.

There's a huge immigration problem in the area I live too...and while I don't have any problem with anyone for their culture, race, whatever....its definitely fucking annoying when the neighborhood you grew up in suddenly doesn't speak the same language as you or anyone who used to live there, and you're surrounded by tons of ignorant assholes who want free handouts.

I'm sure people who have never had to really deal with this kind of thing will obviously not understand how big of a problem it is. In fact I know plenty of people who live out in east chuckafuck living the good life who just don't see the problem. I'm sure they would change their tune if it was directly affecting them, though.

"your territory" ... "your own"

How is anything yours?  Who gave those to you?  Your government?  Your parents?  God?

What is this birthright you speak of?  I can't understand this sense of entitlement.

What are you afraid of?  Are they coming to "steal our jobs"?  If a person who has nothing and doesn't speak the language can do your job then perhaps you are not qualified for it.  Or you are overpaid for it.  Either way it's your problem not theirs.

The world is big enough for everyone.  No one's trying to steal what's yours.  I say let all people all over move freely and go where they like.  The free market will regulate and optimise everything over time.  People will move to where they are needed and they have something to offer.  That is good for everybody.  It would be good for you too.

You think you have a problem because people of a different colour, speaking a different language moved into your neighbourhood?  How about bombs and rockets killing your neighbours and relatives and you having no neighbourhood to speak of?  Would that not be a problem?

bugsonglass said:

"your territory" ... "your own"

How is anything yours?  Who gave those to you?  Your government?  Your parents?  God?

What is this birthright you speak of?  I can't understand this sense of entitlement.

What are you afraid of?  Are they coming to "steal our jobs"?  If a person who has nothing and doesn't speak the language can do your job then perhaps you are not qualified for it.  Or you are overpaid for it.  Either way it's your problem not theirs.

The world is big enough for everyone.  No one's trying to steal what's yours.  I say let all people all over move freely and go where they like.  The free market will regulate and optimise everything over time.  People will move to where they are needed and they have something to offer.  That is good for everybody.  It would be good for you too.

You think you have a problem because people of a different colour, speaking a different language moved into your neighbourhood?  How about bombs and rockets killing your neighbours and relatives and you having no neighbourhood to speak of?  Would that not be a problem?

Other than you adding quite a few words into my mouth that I didn't speak, I will say yes, I have seen time and again people come in and take jobs away. Mostly because the people in positions of power know they can pay someone from a foreign land HALF of what an American typically needs to do the same job. And many foreign guys are fine with that, because as many have told me...they can go back to their country after awhile where the American dollar is worth a shitload more than it is here, and live like kings. But a bigger problem is that tons of these people don't work at all and don't want to.....they collect EBT and welfare and live off the taxpayers.

People want to come here, that's great. But they make it too easy to get here and stay and too many of these people just sponge off the taxpayers. The big fat asses that go through the supermarkets with 5 kids by their side on the 1st of the month and literally trash the place and have zero respect at all is insane.

travo said:

We've had a quite a few in my small town who are upset that immigrants are taking their jobs and changing things too much.  As an educator, I've had nothing but positive experiences with children of immigrants.  Most of them are from Mexico but we do see an occasional Chinese student and or someone from Greece.  The children are very well behaved and the families value education more than almost any other group, almost to a fault at times.  i love interacting with these children because of their great attitudes towards what we are doing in class.  You don't always see that.

As someone who immigrated to the US, I do have to say, it was impossible to do outside of marrying someone, which in and of itself they make very difficult. You then have to go through the process of getting a green card which is difficult, and you then have to become a citizen, which most naturally born US citizens would not tolerate.

In fact, if most natutally born citizens of the US went through what I had to, to become a citizen, I am guessing nine out of ten would have given up, and the tenth would have blown up a federal building.

The United States of America is absolutely, structurally, the best country in the world which provides economic opportunities that no other country can provide, which is why people want to be there, and why the rest of the world that cannot move there denigrate or fear it. Those that actually get across the border, by any means neccesary, have demonstrated that they are "american" in spirit and deserve special consideration in application for acceptance.