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Mon, 15 Feb 2010 06:54:38
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This is important for all of you who use gmail.

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Google broke their "do no evil" rule again.  If you have gmail you've been signed up for (without your consent) their new service that aims to compete with Facebook and Twitter.

Short version: At the very bottom of your gmail page there is an option to "Turn Off Buzz" You may want to do that if you don't have time to research the implications of opting into the service.


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Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:00:22
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Motherfuckers! The only way the world got me to join a specifically social networking site (forums andlast.fm don't count! Nyaa) was to do so with out my consent. Sad

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Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:27:23
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I think this is a bit of an overreaction.  The primary focus here is the "auto-follow" feature that would integrate your Gmail contacts into Buzz automatically.  The thing is, though, with Buzz, you have to explicit share items in the first place.  For example, Google Reader items can be shared through buzz, but you have to select an item to be shared in the first place.

If you want to see if there's anything on Buzz from you, you can check your profile:

http://google.com/profiles/username

This is mine, and the only things on there are what I deliberately added to test it.

That said, you might want to turn it off simply in order to not get annoying Buzz emails.  That being the case, this article is more pertinent.

At any rate, never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:11:50
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When I opened the Buzz folder (which I did not request) I had 9 people following me and I was following 11 people (None of which I wish to follow or be followed by).  Then it shows me conversations between all those people since Buzz has started.

Let's say one of those people was an old girlfriend, ex-wife, current supervisor -- any of them could jump into that stream or just observe it to see who knows who.

Google is not a stupid company, they had this working in house amongst Google employees for 12 months (the former project lead was on This Week in Google yesterday explaining it), they had to have put great thought into this design choice.  This was a calculated decision (speculation) to drag as many users into what they see as one of their biggest services in the company's history (to take some of the real-time social real estate).

EDIT: I see what you mean about the profile, I agree with you, I don't think that's an issue at all.  Profiles where searchable before.  In any case, Google clearly knows they crossed the line since they have apologized and is now reversing their course.  I think this was a case of "it's better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission"


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Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:23:35
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Not saying there aren't issues (the way it was presented was rather misleading), but again I don't attribute this to malice or greed.  Conceptually, the linking of information is stuff you've already publicly posted (for example, Youtube videos or Picasa pictures), so this is a way to expose it to more people, which theoretically is why you posted it in the first place.

What was not properly understood is privacy of association, as you said, people can see who you know.  Also, depending, it may mix professional with personal, which is another can of worms.  If you're willing to say Google would be prudent enough to understand the problems, I'd think it would be just as valid to say they would have foreseen the consequences.

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Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:31:56
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Yodariquo said:
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What was not properly understood is privacy of association, as you said, people can see who you know.  Also, depending, it may mix professional with personal, which is another can of worms.  If you're willing to say Google would be prudent enough to understand the problems, I'd think it would be just as valid to say they would have foreseen the consequences.

 True.

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Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:44:32
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Google sucks.

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Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:17:42
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^ Wikipedia sucks.

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Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:27:00
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hmm, I wonder if Google's ever going to create a more integrated environment.  Right now it has things like Picasa and Youtube that not only function like different sites, but look completely different and are even at different domains.  Even stuff accessed through Google like Reader and Gmail are still disjointed.  If they had one centralised "Google" site where it flowed interchangeably and naturally, it seems like that would be a lot more successful way of generating social networking than what Buzz is trying to do.

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Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:17:53
thanks for this.  i went and disabled it immediately

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Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:51:29

Yodariquo said:
hmm, I wonder if Google's ever going to create a more integrated environment.  Right now it has things like Picasa and Youtube that not only function like different sites, but look completely different and are even at different domains.  Even stuff accessed through Google like Reader and Gmail are still disjointed.  If they had one centralised "Google" site where it flowed interchangeably and naturally, it seems like that would be a lot more successful way of generating social networking than what Buzz is trying to do.

Closest thing to that is google.com/dashboard.  Check it out whil eyou are logged in to your google account.

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