SteelAttack said:1. Yeah. I would be alright without getting a new console ever again. As a matter of fact, I am thinking of that approach when the next generation of consoles arrives, whenever that is. As long as I have enough quality stuff to play, I wouldn't be missing on anything.
2. I do care for strategy games. I don't give two shits about platformers even though I do play one here and there. Where does that leave us? I don't understand the fixation with exclusives when you're talking about "console gaming". You're lumping all three systems with an aggregate cost of almost 1000 bucks into an amorphous blob that magically has every exclusive under the sun covered. Even exclusive "japanese games" whatever the hell those are.
3. Yeah, it's really no contest. On PC I can play stuff that you wouldn't find on any console. Games like Amnesia, The Witcher, StarCraft II, Diablo III, the Anno series (the real ones), Europa Universalis III, Dawn of War games, The Longest Journey, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., the Total War series, King's Bounty games, Mount & Blade, any MMO worth playing including free to play games such as LOTRO, the Civilization series, among others I'm not into such as combat simulators and hardcore racing games that shit all over GT5, plus most multiplatform games cheaper and with settings that put any console to shame with a minimal investment, and that offer wide support for any kind of gamepad or peripheral. Those are the games I'm interested in. Fortunately, I can indulge in both worlds, but if I was pressed to choose, I would go PC and wouldn't look behind.
What do you mean you dont know what a Japanese game is, a game made in japan, Nintendo games, Capcom, Konami, etc. PC gets zero exclusives from those companies, consoles get a ton and they happen to be some of the best games.
Your list is like three genres of exclusives and that is the problem, PC gaming focuses on such a small selection of games. If you like those genres you will be set, I dont. Consoles have a far wider variety of exclusives to play. I am playing Castlevania, I get on and play some Uncharted 2 with you guys lately. On my 3DS I am playing Street Fighter4 and I am looking forward to Mortal Kombat. I still have lots of LBP2 to play, Aspro wants to play some Sonic Racing which is a fun kart racing game. And I am very happy to hear that Last Story, an epic JRPG is coming to NA. All exclusives all in differentt genres, some genres that PC completely ignores.
SteelAttack said:And this "comfy couch" mentality has to stop. You can connect a PC to your HDTV and play it from your couch with a gamepad. If there is anything that characterizes PC gaming is flexibility. You can do things your way.
Yes of course PCs offer flexibility cause they aren't dedicated game systems. Thats not the point here, its about games, we buy these things to play games. And until PC gaming tries to actually get exclsuives in genres I care about there is zero need for me to ever get a gaming PC. Whats the point when I still have to buy the consoles to play the crap ton of games I am missing out on. Consoles are getting more and more PC kinds of games than ever before, so I can get my Valve fix and still play Infamous 2, Uncharted 3, Metal Gear Rising, and Dark Souls when they comes out. The flip side is also true as many games like Batman, Assassin's Creed and even some Capcom games are on PC as well when a few years ago games like that would never be on PC.
They are merging closer together so it becomes more and more about personal taste. As long as consoles have their exclusives, which is basically what the entire console industry is based on (my exclusives are better than yours kind of thing), they are the clear choice for me.
The fuck? SF4 is available on PC. That's one less magical japanese exclusive to list.
I understand you're not acquainted with most of the titles I listed. But to say they belong to three genres only is mindblowing.
Amnesia is a survival horror game that would make SH/RE shit their pants. The Witcher is a WRPG with an actual choice/consequence mechanic. SC II, Anno series, DoW are RTS games. EU III, Civ series, HoMM, Total War series are turn based strategy. TLJ is a point and click adventure game. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is a shooter. Games like Rift or Guild wars are MMO. That's seven fucking genres right there. Of course three different systems lumped together are going to have a wider amount of exclusives than one platform. It's the breadth of content, availability, flexibility and mod support the PC has what outclasses the home consoles. That's real gaming for you.
Dvader said:Yes of course PCs offer flexibility cause they aren't dedicated game systems. Thats not the point here, its about games, we buy these things to play games. And until PC gaming tries to actually get exclsuives in genres I care about there is zero need for me to ever get a gaming PC. Whats the point when I still have to buy the consoles to play the crap ton of games I am missing out on. Consoles are getting more and more PC kinds of games than ever before, so I can get my Valve fix and still play Infamous 2, Uncharted 3, Metal Gear Rising, and Dark Souls when they comes out. The flip side is also true as many games like Batman, Assassin's Creed and even some Capcom games are on PC as well when a few years ago games like that would never be on PC.
They are merging closer together so it becomes more and more about personal taste. As long as consoles have their exclusives, which is basically what the entire console industry is based on (my exclusives are better than yours kind of thing), they are the clear choice for me.
I'm not here to convince you of getting a gaming PC. I just jumped in here to disprove your factually incorrect statements. There is only one superior gaming platform. The PC. As it was in the beginning, it will remain in the end.
Edit: And if the point is about games, why are you talking about couches, living rooms and uncomfortable desks?
SteelAttack said:I'm not here to convince you of getting a gaming PC. I just jumped in here to disprove your factually incorrect statements. There is only one superior gaming platform. The PC. As it was in the beginning, it will remain in the end.
As a "platform" sure cause there are no generational boundaries but that's cause its not a gaming machine, its a computer that can do lots of stuff. But as an industry, its a shadow of the console industry. It does not have the library that the consoles industry has as its lacking in many many genres. This game industry is built on consoles, every major industry show is mostly focused on consoles, most big gaming websites are focused on consoles. Why, cause that is where the best games are, that is where the attention is. Until PC gaming can match the level of games and accessibility of consoles it will always be talked about second.
It just is what it is, if you want the best selection of games you buy consoles. Simple as that.
SteelAttack said:I'm not here to convince you of getting a gaming PC. I just jumped in here to disprove your factually incorrect statements. There is only one superior gaming platform. The PC. As it was in the beginning, it will remain in the end.
Edit: And if the point is about games, why are you talking about couches, living rooms and uncomfortable desks?
Cause everyone says crazy things like "sitting at my desk with a keyboard is AWESOME." It makes my head hurt. 
SteelAttack said:The fuck? SF4 is available on PC. That's one less magical japanese exclusive to list.
I understand you're not acquainted with most of the titles I listed. But to say they belong to three genres only is mindblowing.
Amnesia is a survival horror game that would make SH/RE shit their pants. The Witcher is a WRPG with an actual choice/consequence mechanic. SC II, Anno series, DoW are RTS games. EU III, Civ series, HoMM, Total War series are turn based strategy. TLJ is a point and click adventure game. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is a shooter. Games like Rift or Guild wars are MMO. That's seven fucking genres right there. Of course three different systems lumped together are going to have a wider amount of exclusives than one platform. It's the breadth of content, availability, flexibility and mod support the PC has what outclasses the home consoles. That's real gaming for you.
Thats nice, PC has exclusives and as I said their strength are strategy games, FPSs and RPGs. The difference here is that consoles have many alternatives. Survival horror, clearly there are a ton and the best franchise of them all is mostly a console exclusive. WRPG, as you know they are all mostly coming to consoles now. Real time strategy is an area where there is almost nothing, PC has that on lock down but there are many awesome turned based strategy games exclusive for consoles like Valkaria Chronicles, Fire Emblem. MMOs are a bad idea on console but there are still some for it and there were games like PSO which is a classic. Shooters, a ton of them. You can usually find something on a console.
Now do the same for PC on genres they don't cover. Where are the alternative action games, whats the last great DMC/GoW like game to be a PC exclusive? What's the last great platformer exclusive (thats not some $5 indie game)? Action/Adventure, something Zelda like maybe or even Uncharted like, oh can't seem to find any? Fighting game, tons of great PC alternatives... oh guess not. It completely ignores entire massive genres, it blows my mind that PC only developers only create games in like 5 genres. If that ever happened to consoles I would go crazy, but it won't cause we get the best of everything.
Dvader said:SteelAttack said:I'm not here to convince you of getting a gaming PC. I just jumped in here to disprove your factually incorrect statements. There is only one superior gaming platform. The PC. As it was in the beginning, it will remain in the end.
As a "platform" sure cause there are no generational boundaries but that's cause its not a gaming machine, its a computer that can do lots of stuff. But as an industry, its a shadow of the console industry. It does not have the library that the consoles industry has as its lacking in many many genres. This game industry is built on consoles, every major industry show is mostly focused on consoles, most big gaming websites are focused on consoles. Why, cause that is where the best games are, that is where the attention is. Until PC gaming can match the level of games and accessibility of consoles it will always be talked about second.
It just is what it is, if you want the best selection of games you buy consoles. Simple as that.
You know why the bolded is true? It's not because of the reason you give. It's because the console audience will happily gobble up whatever kind of shit publishers or hardware manufacturers excrete inside their gaping mouths. Obscenely priced DLC. Shitty, faulty hardware. Pay for online gaming. ROMs sold as actual games.
I'm no better. Never said I was. I have swallowed my own share of shit. I pay for XBLive. I bought a 360. That doesn't mean I don't see the reality, though.
Dvader said:It just is what it is, if you want the best selection of games you buy consoles. Simple as that.
All three of them. Not so simple as you make it sound.
SteelAttack said:And this "comfy couch" mentality has to stop. You can connect a PC to your HDTV and play it from your couch with a gamepad. If there is anything that characterizes PC gaming is flexibility. You can do things your way.
I wish! I bought a monitor cable for my laptop a month ago, and tried to hook it up to my HDTV. It sorta works . . . sometimes . . . when my craptastic Intel graphics card decides to recognize my HDTV, which isn't very often.
But I don't think we're getting anywhere with this. You're hellbent on basing your whole argument on the notion of exclusives found on three platforms against the ones found in one. Exclusives are much less meaningful to me so I won't be able to understand your view on this.
Exclusives are dying, though. It's going to happen in our lifetime and I hope I can be around you to offer you my shoulder when it happens. Exclusives are poison. A disease.
Ravenprose said:SteelAttack said:And this "comfy couch" mentality has to stop. You can connect a PC to your HDTV and play it from your couch with a gamepad. If there is anything that characterizes PC gaming is flexibility. You can do things your way.
I wish! I bought a monitor cable for my laptop a month ago, and tried to hook it up to my HDTV. It sorta works . . . sometimes . . . when my craptastic Intel graphics card decides to recognize my HDTV, which isn't very often.
That's your problem right there. PC gaming offers a lot of advantages, but it's not for everyone. It usually requires some sort of commitment in regards to research and willingness to tinker around with stuff. It's usually far from a plug-and-play experience. For some people, that just adds fun to the overall package. To most of them ,though, it's an annoyance.
SteelAttack said:That's your problem right there. PC gaming offers a lot of advantages, but it's not for everyone. It usually requires some sort of commitment in regards to research and willingness to tinker around with stuff. It's usually far from a plug-and-play experience. For some people, that just adds fun to the overall package. To most of them ,though, it's an annoyance.
Well, I only play Solitare and Tetris on my PC. My hardware works fine for those. 
Just not on my HDTV. 
SteelAttack said:All three of them. Not so simple as you make it sound.
True but its about the same price as getting a top of the line PC (well with consoles prices now, not at the launch prices). Yes PC gaming can be far more affordable especially with Steam being the most awesome thing ever. But if you know how to work the chain store deals, you can get games for so damn cheap on consoles and they are yours in your hand, physical copies. (Yes I know there are physical PC copies but the best deals are on digital downloads)
Now all the stuff you talked about yeah it sucks. Pay for online gaming is all from Microsoft, a computer company, I catergorize them as being from the PC camp, trying to make money off of consoles in any way they can.
Of course hardware wise PC wins cause its not one thing, PC is a term for a wide variety of products. There are such things as crappy PCs, you have the freedom to pick and choose the best ones of course. And there are incredible perks you don't get on consoles, I get all that. For the features of course go PC. I don't play for features, I am the guy that is happy playing a crappy version of a game as long as I get to play that game I want to play. Just cause my version of Bayonetta was uglier doesn't mean I missed out on the game, I played it and loved it. You think I am happy to play non HD Wii games with GC graphics today, no, but I do cause its all about the games. And one day I will have a PC that can run modern games and I will try out many of those games I missed the same way I have been playing a ton of games from last year cause I missed out. As I said before I feel comfortable missing out on those PC games for now cause the games I really love, made by the companies I really love in the genres I really love don't really ever come out exclusively on PC. That right there is the basis of my argument. If you don't like the more console genres that is fine, then PC gaming is perfect for you, but don't act like PC gaming isn't missing a shit ton games.
SteelAttack said:But I don't think we're getting anywhere with this. You're hellbent on basing your whole argument on the notion of exclusives found on three platforms against the ones found in one. Exclusives are much less meaningful to me so I won't be able to understand your view on this.
Exclusives are dying, though. It's going to happen in our lifetime and I hope I can be around you to offer you my shoulder when it happens. Exclusives are poison. A disease.
I agree I would love to see the end of exclusives, it would be cheaper for all and then we can play all our favorites on anything we choose. I use the term cause it describes the exact games I don't get if I went PC alone. If Nintendo starts putting all their games on PC I won't need a Wii, that would be awesome but that is not the real world. If I want to play their games I need to buy their console. Quite frankly stuff like that is what makes for innovation, as much as some of you want to be cranky old guy that doesn't want to advance with the times, stuff like motion controls and 3D is born from that kind of competition.
The thread is about PC gaming vs Console gaming not PC gaming versus PS3 gaming. So yes I get to talk about all consoles.
Dvader said:SteelAttack said:All three of them. Not so simple as you make it sound.
True but its about the same price as getting a top of the line PC (well with consoles prices now, not at the launch prices). Yes PC gaming can be far more affordable especially with Steam being the most awesome thing ever. But if you know how to work the chain store deals, you can get games for so damn cheap on consoles and they are yours in your hand, physical copies. (Yes I know there are physical PC copies but the best deals are on digital downloads)
Now all the stuff you talked about yeah it sucks. Pay for online gaming is all from Microsoft, a computer company, I catergorize them as being from the PC camp, trying to make money off of consoles in any way they can.
Of course hardware wise PC wins cause its not one thing, PC is a term for a wide variety of products. There are such things as crappy PCs, you have the freedom to pick and choose the best ones of course. And there are incredible perks you don't get on consoles, I get all that. For the features of course go PC. I don't play for features, I am the guy that is happy playing a crappy version of a game as long as I get to play that game I want to play. Just cause my version of Bayonetta was uglier doesn't mean I missed out on the game, I played it and loved it. You think I am happy to play non HD Wii games with GC graphics today, no, but I do cause its all about the games. And one day I will have a PC that can run modern games and I will try out many of those games I missed the same way I have been playing a ton of games from last year cause I missed out. As I said before I feel comfortable missing out on those PC games for now cause the games I really love, made by the companies I really love in the genres I really love don't really ever come out exclusively on PC. That right there is the basis of my argument. If you don't like the more console genres that is fine, then PC gaming is perfect for you, but don't act like PC gaming isn't missing a shit ton games.
yeah, sure. PC gaming is missing a shit ton of games that I either don't care about or could easily live without. Sounds familiar? Just exchange "PC" with "consoles" and suddenly I turned into you! (with less body hair).
And please. Leave price out of the equation. You already own a PC. Any PC built within the last 5 years would do. If you spend more or less the amount of ONE console game at retail, you suddenly are the owner of a gaming capable PC. Simple as that.
SteelAttack said:yeah, sure. PC gaming is missing a shit ton of games that I either don't care about or could easily live without. Sounds familiar? Just exchange "PC" with "consoles" and suddenly I turned into you! (with less body hair).
And please. Leave price out of the equation. You already own a PC. Any PC built within the last 5 years would do. If you spend more or less the amount of ONE console game at retail, you suddenly are the owner of a gaming capable PC. Simple as that.
My PC was built over 10 years ago so HA.
And as I showed with an example, consoles have many alternatives to those genres, PC doesn't. They don't carry games like that. And that is the big problem. So no its not as simple as switching the terms.
I would also like to say that I am the only one here actually practicing what he preaches. I don't play PC games, and if I do they are really freaking old cause that is all my PC can handle. For the most part I have been a console only gamer for like the last 7 years. Every single one of you are happily talking a big game about PC this and PC that and yet you all have consoles. And you are always on your consoles. And when you want to play with friends where do you go, your consoles.
EDIT: And when many of your consoles break for the 3rd time and you complain and moan about how you should just play only PCs you still buy another of the same console. (Not specific to you Steel this is a general thing I see a lot of)
Dvader said:I would also like to say that I am the only one here actually practicing what he preaches. I don't play PC games, and if I do they are really freaking old cause that is all my PC can handle. For the most part I have been a console only gamer for like the last 7 years. Every single one of you are happly talking a big game about PC this and PC that and yet you all have consoles. And you are always on your consoles. And when you want to play with friends where do you go, your consoles.
EDIT: And when many of your consoles break for the 3rd time and you complain and moan about how you should just play only PCs you still buy another of the same console. (Not specific to you Steel this is a general thing I see a lot of)
Like I said before. I am in the fortunate position of being able to indulge in both worlds. I can get the best all platforms have to offer. But if I had to choose between either PC or consoles, I would pick PC in a heartbeat. No contest for me as it isn't a contest for you. The fact that I own all platforms doesn't invalidate my viewpoint on which one offers the best games for me. We're no zealots.
SteelAttack said:Like I said before. I am in the fortunate position of being able to indulge in both worlds. I can get the best all platforms have to offer. But if I had to choose between either PC or consoles, I would pick PC in a heartbeat. No contest for me as it isn't a contest for you. The fact that I own all platforms doesn't invalidate my viewpoint on which one offers the best games for me. We're no zealots.
I know that and soon I will have a super powered PC (well a laptop) that I hardly ever touch.
Actually I really want a new laptop cause I need one for one and there are excellent PS2 emulation programs, so basically it can be my PS2 since the one I have is an old piece of junk that hardly works. Also I want to get the Dolphin Wii thing running, I would love to see Wii in HD. And yes I realize I am admitting you can emulate console games on PC but that is cheating, it doesn't count for the purposes of this discussion.
And this "comfy couch" mentality has to stop. You can connect a PC to your HDTV and play it from your couch with a gamepad. If there is anything that characterizes PC gaming is flexibility. You can do things your way.