Sex is what makes her bad as a character? You would rather her be plain, docile and powerless than sexy? Why hasn't anyone spoken up in defense of Peach?

But she's NOT designed SOLELY around sex. It's not like she's just sitting there being sexy; she's flinging magic around, she's one of the heroes of the game...

Everyone is getting so up in arms about the Sorceress, that she's a bad representation of women, but then there's the docile, powerless and plain Peach who needs to be rescued again and again and again, because she's stupid enough to be kidnapped again and again and again... and everyone's FINE with that?! SHE'S more of a bad example of women in gaming than the POWERFUL, KICK-ASS Sorceress! That was my point! The Sorceress is almost a POSITIVE example of a woman in a game, except for the fact that she's "sexy"...

Yodariquo said:

That's a red herring since nobody has said anything about Peach.


Equality in design here would be a male not designed to be a hulking warrior of death, but to be designed as a sexual object for women.

Yodariquo said:

Those are screenshots.  I'm aware that games occasionally have a camera behind the player.  Not sure if you were serious on that.

The metal gear solid scene not only has the camera behind Snake's arse, but it's behind Snake's arse while he's having sex with the ninja.

**Pro-Tip: Don't ever put the words "Sexy Chris Redfield" into a Google Browser and look at the image results!**

• The Male brain is more left brain oriented. This is the side of the brain that deals with Language, Logic, Critical thinking, Numbers and Reasoning.
• Computer Programming consists of a lot of critical thinking, logic, numbers and reasoning.
• Therefore, Computer Programming has become primarily a male dominated field.
• Game development requires a lot of Computer Programming.
• Males then dominate game development.
• It is more likely someone will create something they are familar with for an audience they understand better.
• In business, you want to create a product that will appeal to the majority of your audience to make money.
• Game development is a business that involves a lot of guys creating things that appeal to a lot of men in order to make money.

You see where I am going with this, right?

If there were more women in the field, and thus more games made by women for women, this wouldn't be as big a deal... For the most part though (because there's always exceptions) their brains are not quite wired in the same way men's are. It's not that they are being INTENTIONALLY excluded, it's just that classically they haven't been interested in this field and are currently under-represented. Nothing's stopping them from changing that though... if they want to.

Let someone make a sexy male version of Dragon's Crown, see if it would sell...

**I mean, I would buy it, but I'm a minority!**

OK then... Look at this list of the best and most commercially successful games of all time and (in this sexist dominated industry) tell me the ones where sex was a major selling point.

phantom_leo said:

So there were as many women in your computer classes as men?

I can just as easily claim that's because of the absence of pirates.  I said your claim as to causation is speculative.

...but even if they DO actively start to produce games for women by women. Do you think they would make games with sexy men, or side-scrolling brawlers for women? Women just aren't into games that men like and don't think of the male form like men think about women's.