gamingeek said:

I still need to buy Tropical Freeze but it will never come down in price.

I need to get it but if I want to play it I will borrow it from my nephew.

gamingeek said:

Dvader said:

But why would western devs make games for the wii u, what is in it for them. This is not a charity, they dont need to help the wii u sell. Clearly not involving the wii u changes nothing to their bottem line, it probably improves it. If Wii U did make them money they would work on it, it is as simple as that. For Nintendo it is a catch 22 they need some third party help to get sells but sales will remain low with little third party support. Still this is mostly their fault as they didnt make a system that is compatiblle with the future, they still have crappy online, their controller is weird. They wanted to be different, this is what different gets you.

With your line of thinking games like Zombi U would never exist. If people were just chasing sales games like Madworld or Red Steel 2 would never exist. Here are a few random things that come to mind as to why devs should make games on Wii U:

1. Maintaining a userbase for the future (next console) instead of pissing off the entire userbase of a system, which is in the millions.

2. Keeping friendly with a business partner

3. Designing with the spirit of invention and creation in mind. Wanting to design something unique and innovative that other systems can't do. Instead of riding the Dudebro train hard, before giving up and becoming an iphone dev

4. Low cost of entry, $1 million per port (confirmed by Ubisoft) it's not a main system costs are shared - digitial distribution availible. 30 peeps at Treyarch port COD to Wii U successfully. Only needs to sell in the tens of thousands to break even.

5. Prestige/experience

6. Not wanting to be major douches - seriously a Gamecube game coming to every system except Nintendos? Fuck right off if you're defending that.

7. Why ask only western devs and not Japanese too?

8. PS4 is being outsold by PS3 in Japan and Wii U is outselling them both week on week.

9. Developers should/could have dropped PS3 like a hot potato when it wasn't selling well too, see how that panned out

10. Going against the grain = a higher profile title. A 3rd party game on U now will really stand out as there are barely any.

11. Both Wii U HW and SW have seen significant increases in recent weeks/months 3x more minimum, much larger gains in some areas. Publishers basically threw down the towel as if things could never improve, they have and could have been higher, if Wii U wasn't missing every new game in existence.

12. Gamers are buying 6+ new games with a Wii U on GAF

13. Let's not forget the self fufilled prophecy, third parties cultivated this failed eco system in the first place by a weak show of faith. Don't act like it was a natural evolution. Talk all you want about HW sales, PSP was expected to "win" before it even released -before there were any sales- and EA had hundreds of developers making games for it, meanwhile they had 4 developers working on the DS. (This was confirmed by a former EA Employee) They make their bets before systems even release. They made a bet on mobile and gave up on 3DS even though it's sold millions. What's the excuse there for western devs totally skirting the 3DS like a dog turd? They can't make money on 3DS? Utter bullshit. Is there more money in mobile? Sure but there's a eshop on 3DS too if they want to provide content there.

Most developers have never even released a Wii U game in the first place, they are like the people at pool parties who remain fully dressed and watch other people get wet.

14. Look what happened when FB released Trine 2 on Wii U. How the profile rocketed amongst Nintendo gamers. There's a chance to introduce franchises that are entirely new to a whole segment of the gaming population. Wii U owners bought Trine 2, they loved Trine 2 and they are looking forward to buying Trine remastered too. There's no reason a well made and well marketed game couldn't do the same. Releasing massively inbred 5th time sequels to the audience obviously isn't the best way to go about things. Mass Effect 3? That's like watching the final 3 episodes of 24.

15. Some games actually sell better on Wii U, Sonic, Rayman, Lego etc. If you have the kind of game Nintendo gamers want, you can do better than on other systems. Nintendo platforms make up like 60% of Sales for games like Disney Infinity/Skylanders. Why are all modern games so serious?

Well Zombiu is a smaller game, they almost dont exist anymore. If they want 3rd party support it has to be the big budget games.

1. They are not pissing off anyone. Anyone who is serious about playing third party games has one of the other systems.

2. None of the big third party companies would miss a beat if Nintendo vanished from earth. Nintendo needs them more than they need Nintendo.

3. Yeah no big publisher really cares about innovation with controlers. They want to make money by pumping out sequels.

4. If the publishers made enough money from Wii U ports they would do it. They have the financial figures, they know what makes them money and no one is anti easy money. It may cost little but it takes time. They could spend $1 million to make some quick cell phone game or some small downloadable game which may make more money than a Wii U port.

5. What?

6. Well Nintendo owners already got to play it...

7. Well major japanese publishers are abandoning Wii U too. But Wii U has a bigger presence in Japan and there is loyalty or whatever over there.

8. ok

9. PS3 never sold as bad and it was PLAYSTATION. It would never fail.

10. And still sell like shit.

11. I am pretty sure they decided to abandon Wii U the second the console was shown to be another strange Nintendo experiment and not a modern console. The wii forced companies to make games for it cause it had so many users, wii u does not.

12. thats gaf

13. Look at 11. Nintendo kept going their own way, the publishers dont want to follow them and they now have no incentive to do so. This is not a new trend, ever since N64 Nintendo and third parties have been getting more and more distant.

14. Yeah if you do things right you can make a name for yourself on Wii U, most big publishers dont want to waste their time with that when they can easily make more money on the other systems.

15. Yes and that is why those are the only third party games Nintendo is getting.

aspro said:

It honestly hasn't bothered me at all. Did the Duracel batteries in Pikmin similarly bother you, or is this a Mario thing?

Its a mario thing. Seeing earth cars in mushroom kingdom. It just feels so wrong. Pikmin is about exploring earth, so you expect that stuff in there.

Dvader said:

aspro said:

It honestly hasn't bothered me at all. Did the Duracel batteries in Pikmin similarly bother you, or is this a Mario thing?

Its a mario thing. Seeing earth cars in mushroom kingdom. It just feels so wrong. Pikmin is about exploring earth, so you expect that stuff in there.

The original only implied that it took place on earth.  It could have been any planet.  It wasn't untill Pikmin2, when they added stuff like the Duracell battery and plant pots and such that it was made clear you were on earth.  I kind of liked the ambiquity of the original where they were like "yeah, we're on earth...  Or are we?".  It added to the quirky charm.

Foolz said:

I thought they were all set in Miyamoto's backyard.

If so I can believe he is starting to lose it.  With the amount of junk he loses there he's bound to have some sort of old peoples mental condition.  Oh, and he should really call some pest control.

While I'm all for more games on WiiU, I doubt the big publishers will be convinced by 'some charts' 'somewhere online'.  Should the WiiU close the gap with the X1 and continue to sell at similar pace, devs might reconsider developing for the WiiU.  And I say might because third party games never had that high attach rates on Nintendo consoles when compared to Sony or MS.  Yes, it's embarrasing how publishers are not touching the WiiU, but it's called business logic and hard numbers.  You can't fault them for not making games for the WiiU out of pure philantropism.

On the other hand, does it bother me that WiiU won't be getting the next Assassin's Creed?  No, it does not.  Nintendo themselves admitted long ago that they couldn't get enough software support to be the sole system people own.  That's why, prior to the Wii launch, Iwata had this conference about being the best secondary console.  If everyone who owns a Playstation or an Xbox choses a Nintendo console as a secondary option, in the end Nintendo could outsell both.  Nintendo stopped caring about wooing big third parties long ago.

MS and Sony already have sales comparable or surpassing Nintendo's, even without the year head start.  Those numbers probably speak more to big game companies than any survey ever would.  

travo said:

MS and Sony already have sales comparable or surpassing Nintendo's, even without the year head start.  Those numbers probably speak more to big game companies than any survey ever would.  

Wii U support dried up before those consoles even launched.

And this talk of surveys is ignoring the 300%+ rise in sales in Wii U HW and SW in various territories in the world, those aren't imaginary. As Vader said, X1 NPD sales were almost at Wii U levels last month or the time before that or something. And X1 wont sell shit in Japan, where Nintendo will get thousands every week over 5 years. If purchase intent is now level with X1, it will be interesting to see where things go from here. But X1 isn't handicapped by receiving little to no games like U is.

Well this time next year, maybe we will see  X1's support dry up.  Who knows? Remember, Nintendo had a year head start and have trailed behind.  These big developers see this and see it as pointless to develop for. They also see MS and Sony with true next gen tech and want to develop for that.

its not going to happen but I think Nintendo needs to plunk down big money to woo some of these big exclusives.  Of course that will be a big loss to them and it surely won't sell like they want.  I guess it's wishful thinking on my part because there are a ton of games coming out on other systems that I'd much prefer to play on the gamepad.

GG I don't know why you get so worked up over the Nintendo support song and dance. They will never get the support the other guys do so long as they don't rely on 3rd-party games & constantly demand to have different hardware.

And who fucking cares? I personally don't give a fuck anymore. Wii U is what it is, enjoy the Nintendo developed and Nintendo published games. You want the rest, grab a PS4 or build a PC.

Like with Resident Evil.....back in the Cube days I was all for Nintendo having the franchise because they had better hardware than PS2 which was comparable to Xbox. The games benefitted from being on that hardware. But in this era, even if (assuming Resident Evil was still a top level franchise) the series was on Wii U as well as the rest, why would I get it on the Wii U over the PS4? Is the Gamepad really going to be a game changer? I was going to get Revelations on the Wii U until I played the demo and found that the PS3 version actually looked better. So I got it on PS3. Same for the REmake...that would be a PS4 buy no matter what. I wouldn't get it on Wii U just because it was developed for a Nintendo console 12 years ago.

Another thing that actually does bother me on Nintendo consoles and influences my choice to buy elsewhere regardless of multi-platform status is that Nintendo doesn't have a Trophy/Achievement system. I'm not a huge trophy guy, but I do like having the feature...if for no other reason that it acts as kind of a timeline attatched to your account where you can go back and say "Oh wow...on this day 5 years ago I was playing X, and got this trophy".

Also, I wonder just how healthy Capcom is as a company...it was known a while ago that they only had something like 200 Million in the bank or some insane number like that....barely enough to even DEVELOP a new Resident Evil game. Its not a stretch to say the next RE could put them out of business if its not a major hit. This is the kind of company that its really not worth it for them to support Nintendo unless Nintendo is paying them handsomely.